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BSG 4.11 - Sometimes A Great Notion
My hubby turned to me after the episode was over and yelled out "get thee to the forums!"
Oh my god, my girl is just BEAUTIFUL. She is so amazingly gorgeous. Katee looked kinda stressed and scraggly and sweaty for most of 4.0, but she looked just breathtaking in this episode, especially down on the planet. I need an icon of her hair and the tall grass in the wind!
So. I'm bummed that Kara didn't get to tell Lee. I absolutely love that it was her instinct to try to talk it over with him first. They might not be on the same page romantically, but he is still her best friend. I love that.
And I think they did a good job of making Lee and Kara's individual arcs in this episode work well with other people.Leoben was a good choice to be the one exploring Kara's death/identity with her because he represents unqualified adoration but without the need for reciprocity that either Sam or Lee's presence would necessitate. Kara can be self-absorbed, in a good way, with Leoben because he doesn't ask for anything back. And that is a good person to have along with you when you discover that your body crashed on Earth and you don't know who you are. ETA: okay, nevermind. Somehow my brain just blipped over Leoben turning chickenshit and running from Kara and her corpse. My poor girl is totally alone on this one.
Similarly, though I probably won't EVER ship Lee and Dee, I think Dee was a good choice for Lee's arc this episode. For starters, it was the first time I ever really bought any chemistry between them. Dee's pep talk to Lee bolstered him in a way that few people could. And she presented that support selflessly. One of my biggest complaints about Dee was her selfishness in leaving Billy for Lee, and then in guilt-tripping/torturing Lee over his lingering feelings for Kara. This episode allowed her to completely support him when he needed it, for a little while at least.
And what a choice for the token post-Earth suicide. I'm not going to wail and beat my chest over Dee, but I think her anguish over Earth and her decision to die happy at a moment of her choosing were well done. Not to mention that Dee's death allowed my Lee to look quite quite pretty.
I got a little bored with both Adama's and Roslin's angsting, to tell the truth. Yes, it's a hard thing to be a leader. That's not really news on this show. Both the burning of the Pythian scrolls and the attempt to goad Tigh into a suicide pact were too melodramatic for me. Then again...
I thought the juxtaposition of Roslin burning her book and Kara burning her Other self looked amazing. I really wonder when/if Kara will tell anyone else. Will she just repress it, since she presumably didn't dump her problems on Lee when he was looking all broken up over Dee? She's confided in Sam in the past about some pretty heavy shit, but will she do that now? This is the part of S4.5 that I am most excited about as of now. I still love Kara more than any other character in fiction.
I really loved all the Final Four flashbacks to their lives/deaths on Earth. And I love that the 13th Colony were cylons. I want more about that too. (Also, my Anders is very tall and beautiful, y/y?)
I am so-so on the Final Cylon reveal. It worked well in the context of the episode--I liked Tigh floating out in the water and remembering/finding his past--and I'm glad I wasn't spoiled for it, but I don't really see where they're going with Ellen yet so I'm withholding judgment on that plot point for now.
Oh, and I almost forgot how adorable the Agathons were! With the goofing around and the loving each other and their kid? Made me go all melty inside.
Not much meta so far, but that's what I've got off the top of my head. What did you guys think?
Suffice it to say that I want MOAR.
Oh my god, my girl is just BEAUTIFUL. She is so amazingly gorgeous. Katee looked kinda stressed and scraggly and sweaty for most of 4.0, but she looked just breathtaking in this episode, especially down on the planet. I need an icon of her hair and the tall grass in the wind!
So. I'm bummed that Kara didn't get to tell Lee. I absolutely love that it was her instinct to try to talk it over with him first. They might not be on the same page romantically, but he is still her best friend. I love that.
And I think they did a good job of making Lee and Kara's individual arcs in this episode work well with other people.
Similarly, though I probably won't EVER ship Lee and Dee, I think Dee was a good choice for Lee's arc this episode. For starters, it was the first time I ever really bought any chemistry between them. Dee's pep talk to Lee bolstered him in a way that few people could. And she presented that support selflessly. One of my biggest complaints about Dee was her selfishness in leaving Billy for Lee, and then in guilt-tripping/torturing Lee over his lingering feelings for Kara. This episode allowed her to completely support him when he needed it, for a little while at least.
And what a choice for the token post-Earth suicide. I'm not going to wail and beat my chest over Dee, but I think her anguish over Earth and her decision to die happy at a moment of her choosing were well done. Not to mention that Dee's death allowed my Lee to look quite quite pretty.
I got a little bored with both Adama's and Roslin's angsting, to tell the truth. Yes, it's a hard thing to be a leader. That's not really news on this show. Both the burning of the Pythian scrolls and the attempt to goad Tigh into a suicide pact were too melodramatic for me. Then again...
I thought the juxtaposition of Roslin burning her book and Kara burning her Other self looked amazing. I really wonder when/if Kara will tell anyone else. Will she just repress it, since she presumably didn't dump her problems on Lee when he was looking all broken up over Dee? She's confided in Sam in the past about some pretty heavy shit, but will she do that now? This is the part of S4.5 that I am most excited about as of now. I still love Kara more than any other character in fiction.
I really loved all the Final Four flashbacks to their lives/deaths on Earth. And I love that the 13th Colony were cylons. I want more about that too. (Also, my Anders is very tall and beautiful, y/y?)
I am so-so on the Final Cylon reveal. It worked well in the context of the episode--I liked Tigh floating out in the water and remembering/finding his past--and I'm glad I wasn't spoiled for it, but I don't really see where they're going with Ellen yet so I'm withholding judgment on that plot point for now.
Oh, and I almost forgot how adorable the Agathons were! With the goofing around and the loving each other and their kid? Made me go all melty inside.
Not much meta so far, but that's what I've got off the top of my head. What did you guys think?
Suffice it to say that I want MOAR.
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(Pee ess: send help it's ELEVEN DEGREES. If I die of cold, I bequeath you my DVDs.)
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Plus, you are going to see our New President of Awesomeness in person, so I'm finding it hard to sympathize with your vacation woes.
Though your DC fanbuddies get full points for getting you to to even half-watch BSG! *three cheers for them*
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Haha, it was this or retreat all by my lonesome, so here I am, surfing the Internet and ignoring the show. :D
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Firs kara, because Kara. DUDE. She had to build her own funeral pyre alone by herself!! WHAT IS SHE? (Is it just going to be as easy as the fact that They're all cylons, every one of em?) I thought it was kinda hilarious that finally Leoben is intimidated by her.
Dee/Lee. I am whatever. I was glad for Kandyse that she got a chance to have some nice scenes and Dee went out happy. Lee was his usual insecure Leemo self all episode and blah. I can't wait to see Latte's reaction. Ironic that Dee keeps them apart even when she's dead. But I too was really happy that she went to Lee to tell him, even if now she never can. Sniff. (And what happened to her neck? They didn't show us.)
More on the past lives/future lives dichotomy please! I actually wanted more final four flashbacks. Was Anders a rockstar? Hee.
Ellen. I've never found her interesting. So whatever on that.
Adama's scene with Tigh: both Mr. Taragel and myself started laughing out loud at EJO's completely over the top "I don't frakking know." I have issues with Papadama but I LOVE DRUNK PAPADAMA.
OH Kara. Back to Kara. It's going to be ages before we find out what you are huh?
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Haha, yeah it is pretty funny how Leoben basically turned chickenshit and ran from her.
And what does it mean!?!
What is she? And how long do I have to wait to find out?
This show is going to kill me with awesome Tara!!!
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I am already dead with awesome like Ellen Tigh.
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At this point I really just need Lee and Kara to give each other a good cuddle. Is that too much to ask?
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I think I heard the celebratory cheering of the fangirls. ;) And LOST next week! OMG this is like fangirl overload.
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ME TOO. They sure know how to cram a lot of emotion and details into one episode. I think I'll be processing this one all week.
AND YEAH FOR LOST NEXT WEEK. I'm sure that one will involve even more 'huh' and mindfrakkery, squee!
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Me too. You put it so well. :-)
I almost forgot how adorable the Agathons were! With the goofing around and the loving each other and their kid? Made me go all melty inside.
Hera's adorable, but I did get a rather doomy feeling from it all. Earth is a barren wasteland and they are all playing? It was weird. But I wonder if the doomy feeling I got was just from Dee. She was never going to have a family like that. :-(
Is it just me or does anyone else think they are making ready to leave this Earth a bit too soon?
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That's what I got out of it. The Agathons have to live in the moment for their kid, because that's the way kids are, but Dee is stuck in a cycle of increasing despair and disillusionment where she keeps re-realizing that she'll never have the future/life she wanted.
Is it just me or does anyone else think they are making ready to leave this Earth a bit too soon?
It definitely seems like more of an emotional reaction, and not a logical decision, like if the fleet leaves sooner everyone will be less depressed. I'm sure that there is more they could have discovered about Earth and the 13th Colony with more research but it seems like they don't want to hear about it anymore. Or maybe that's all the scientific research they want to show, and the rest of the Earth backstory will be coming from the Final Four?
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Not over the Ellen reveal--whatever, I feel the same as you. Wait it out, see where it goes.
But the episode overall? Stunning.
And Kara. We are so lucky to have a Kara Thrace on our screens, and a Katee Sackhoff to play her.
It's 6:30 in the AM. I had to wait for my torrent to get here. ;) Now I will snuggle in my covers and wish I was going to get more than five-ish hours of sleep.
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You speak the truth darling. Lots and lots of THE TRUTH.
I wish you lots of rest in your short sleep so that you can spend tomorrow mulling the episode over and over in your head!
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She's like this amazing thing you can't take your eyes off! Katee totally rocked her scenes!
I got a little bored with both Adama's and Roslin's angsting, to tell the truth.
*nods* Same here. I just feel like both characters acted the same way in 4.0. Adama lost his shit when he found out about Tigh. Laura had a little cry when Bill told her she was afraid to die alone. Different settings, same performances.
I had no idea we would know the final Cylon this ep, at first I thought it might be misdirection, but I just read a Ron interview where he explains his reasons for making Ellen the fifth (unless Ron is wielding misdirection from interviews?)
Suffice it to say that I want MOAR.
ME TOOOOO!!!
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And now I'm in selfish-fangirl mode and I want the next episode like yesterday! more more more!!!
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Hmm... I hadn't considered it that way. Interesting.
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So. I'm bummed that Kara didn't get to tell Lee. I absolutely love that it was her instinct to try to talk it over with him first. They might not be on the same page romantically, but he is still her best friend. I love that.
Awwwwwwww!!! I loved that scene!
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ooh, I did not notice that juxtaposition. I noticed a theme with little objects, though.
and yes, the adorable Agathons!
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I agree. I too can never forgive Dee for dumping Billy, but I did like getting a glimpse into how she and Lee's partnership worked and how she was good for him. I won't be a Dee apologist now that she is dead, but I think the show did a good job with her in her death.
I still love Kara more than any other character in fiction.
So say we all! :D